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compared to whom? how does one measure that purity? certainly Hammas is more pure in those terms, not that it is a competition (but you're alluding that it is).


They all suck. There are no good polities in the Middle East. At this stage into the genocide-counter-genocide cycle, there are no clean hands left.

We need to switch to renewables asap, and just withdraw completely from the Middle East. They all want to kill one another for fanatical or ethnic reasons, and we clearly have no capacity to stop them. We should insulate ourselves from the region and restrict any involvement to humanitarian assistance.


Then they get nukes and the means of delivering them.

Unfortunately, we are at an era no area can just be ignored.

Theocracies oppressing their own people while aiming for expansion, particularly, must be dealt with.

Else, they will eventually oppress the entirety of humanity.


> Then they get nukes and the means of delivering them.

Remind me, which country was the only one in the world that actually used nukes to kill hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians?


> Theocracies oppressing their own people while aiming for expansion, particularly, must be dealt with.

> Else, they will eventually oppress the entirety of humanity.

We poured trillions of dollars into Afghanistan trying to do just this. It failed. It is not within the power capability of any state to bring liberty to people that do not want it.

The era of global internationalism you're alluding to is receding. If the Iranians and the Saudis want to nuke one another, that is very sad, but we will not be able to stop them in the long run. The best we can do is to keep as far away from any such conflict as possible.

The world are not children, to be minded by us. They're autonomous humans with agency, many of whom sadly happen to be blood-thirsty fanatics, chomping at the bit for a chance to do some genocide. As demonstrated by the last fifty years of Western policy failure in the third world, we do not have the capacity to fix this and it is folly to try.


it's a bit too late, might even make things worse when all the petro-states start going hungry and desperate. I suspect in the timeframe it takes to wean off of oil as fuel source, there will be other resource issues arising such as water and climate-driven migration.




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